I HAVE RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT MY 9 YEAR OLD QUARTER HORSE ...

Dear friend,

I suggest you give this product a try. It cannot harm your boy and could be of great benefit to him. I would also suggest Turmeric (curcumin) as this is a natural anti inflammatory.

Here is a link that discusses it and gives you accurate dosage as well.

http://www.todayshorse.com/Experts/CheyanneWest/AskCheyanne7.htm

Please let me know how he is doing and if you still have questions. I will be happy to help.

Very sincerely,

Terri

Edited by purrfectkitty on August 10 2006 at 12:36pm

THANK YOU.. BUT DO YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE FOR HIM.   THEY PUT HIM BUTE BUT THAT SEEMS TO HELP ONLY FOR A LITTLE WHILE. IS THERE NOT NOTHING THAT CAN BE DOEN IN THIS SITUATION.

THe Bute is only a temporary solution.. There is a good chance calc fluor could be a more permanent help to him.I would certainly give it a chance. The Turmeric could improve the lameness as well.

I wil also dicscuss this with certain equine experts and let you know if we come up with any other beneficial solutions.

Another expert suggested "nerving" the joint which is not too expensive and a painkiller called Ixoprine. The vet coulld also inject the joint with LEGEND. What do you think about these possibilities?

very sincerely,

Terri

Edited by purrfectkitty on August 10 2006 at 1:39pm

IF YOU COULD ASK THE OTHER VETS I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. IF I AGREE AND YOU GET YOUR PAYMENT WILL YOU STILL EMAIL WITH THE RESULTS YOU FIND OUT BY TALKING TO THE OTHER VETS WITHOUT ME HAVING TO REPAY? THANKS LISA

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Lisa,

I was trying to contact Terri, the expert that was helping you with your question, but I do not think she is still online.

Since your question will only be open for a few more hours, I will continue with the information that she and I were working with.

Did your vet suggest Adequin?
Did your vet suggest injecting the joint with Legend?

Bute is an anti-inflamatory and is like Tylenol to us. This is most probably not enough if your horse is lame and in pain.

Tuperin is an antibiotic,and I wouldn't understand why your vet would put your horse on it unless there is some infection, which is normally not associated with bone spurs or navicular changes.

Also, lastly and most importantly, what type riding do you do with this horse?

There are so many options and decisions you can make depending on the answer to these questions.

For pain, I recommended Isoxoprine, however long term use of this, bute, etc. has it's side effects. This is why I need the answer to my questions and we can work together to find the best resolution.

I will also check to see if I can keep the question open and contact Terri. She's a wonderful Pet Expert as well.

I will await your reply. Thank you, Tammy

TAMMY,
   NO MY VET NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ADEQUIN. WHAT WOULD THIS BE? SHE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INJECTING WITH LEGEND EITHER. BASICALLYSHE SAID TO USE THE BUTE WHEN HE IS IN PAIN AND TO PUT CORRETIVE SHOEING ON HIM AND TURN HIM TO THE PASTURE. SHE SAID THAT THERE WASNT ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER THEY COULD DO ABOUT IT. SHE SAID IF THE BONE SPUR HAD BEEN ANY WHERE ELSE THEN THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT WHERE IT IS ON THE NAVICULAR BONE THERE IS NO HOPE. SHE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TRYING ANYTHING. WHAT WOULD THIS ISOXOPRINE BE? WOULD THIS HELP? I HAVE ORDERED SOME COLC FLUOR, I HAVE READ THAT IT HELPS DISSOLVE BONE SPURS. MY RIDING CONSIST OF TRAIL RIDES AND AROUND OUR HOUSE. HE ISNT A SHOW HORSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I LOVE THIS GUY AND HATE TO SEE HIM IN PAIN AND OUT TO PASTURE. SO ANY HELP OR ADVICE I CAN GET WOULD BE SO GREAT....          THANKS LISA

Lisa,

Thanks for all the information. Give me a little time to talk with Vets that I have worked with in the past with "alternative" methods and way to make your horse "servicably sound" and out of pain.

Isoxoprine is a very strong pain medicine. It can make a "dead lame" horse sound! Bute, however is only like Aspirin/Tylenol as it is an anti-inflammatolry medication and does help if the area is inflamed.

Do you have a University close to you that has a Vet School?

Let me know, and I will do more research and get right back with you.

Thank you, Tammy

Lisa,

I am going to give you several websites that have lots of information of bone spurs/navicular bone and navicular disease.

The medication COLC FLUOR is designed to dissolve bone spurs, however as I searched for it, the information I got indicated that the FDA made the manufacturer take it off the market. However, at this stage, I don't think it is the way you want to go anyway.

I still believe "nerving" your horse is your best solution. The process takes a small portion of the nerve out of the area and causes the area to become slightly numb and pain free.

After "nerving" your horse, it does take time for him to get use to the new feel, but I have had several horses that have had this procedure and are now back to jumping fences 3' high.

You will be able to ride him again and he will be pain free. You won't have to "fuss" with medications, special shoeing, etc.

Farriers Helping Horse Owners with Navicular Syndrome Problems ...
Do navicular bone changes in the sound horse have prognostic value? ... Re: Navicular/Bone Spurs - Patty Stiller 20:01:12 09/08/03 (1) ...
www.horseshoes.com/fhlpown/bb9/frhlhron.htm

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... There are numerous types of conformational faults and unsoundness in the horse shown above ... either erosin of the navicular bone or growth of bony spurs. In either case, inflamation ....
www.wisc.edu/ansci_repro/101equinelab/anatomy/anat...

The condition shown above results from the knuckling forward of the fetlock joint. This is caused by an abnormal shortness or tightening of the deep digital flexor tendon (shown in red). Find the navicular bone shown in blue. Observe how the more verticle pastern in the bad angle above leads to the navicular bone coming into contact with the short pastern bone shown in blue green. This will eventually lead to either erosin of the navicular bone or growth of bony spurs. In either case, inflamation results in the tendons connected to the navicular bone (shown in orange), short pastern and the deep digital flexor tendon (shown in red). The pain associated with the inflamation causes lameness. A good example of a pastern that is too verticle is found on the palamino Quaterhorse mare, Nugget. In severe cases, the coffin bone (in purple) may even go through the sole. In contrast to the above situation, if the angle of the pastern is too horizontal, then the fetlock joint may hit the ground during trotting, galloping or jumping resulting in injury to the proximal sesamoid bone (shown in green).

Angle of Pastern Effects the Navicular Bone
Good Angle Bad Angle (WEB SITE SHOWS PHOTOS)
The condition shown above results from the knuckling forward of the fetlock joint. This is caused by an abnormal shortness or tightening of the deep digital flexor tendon (shown in red). Find the navicular bone shown in blue. Observe how the more verticle pastern in the bad angle above leads to the navicular bone coming into contact with the short pastern bone shown in blue green. This will eventually lead to either erosin of the navicular bone or growth of bony spurs. In either case, inflamation results in the tendons connected to the navicular bone (shown in orange), short pastern and the deep digital flexor tendon (shown in red). The pain associated with the inflamation causes lameness. A good example of a pastern that is too verticle is found on the palamino Quaterhorse mare, Nugget. In severe cases, the coffin bone (in purple) may even go through the sole. In contrast to the above situation, if the angle of the pastern is too horizontal, then the fetlock joint may hit the ground during trotting, galloping or jumping resulting in injury to the proximal sesamoid bone (shown in green).

Veterinary Rounds
My older Appy gelding was recently diagnosed with navicular. He has a bone spur on the side of one of the small bones in the navicular area. ...
www.xcodesign.com/aaep/rounds/displayTopics.cfm?ca...

ABNORMALITIES OF THE NAVICULAR BONE
In the dorsal palmar projection there are bone spurs present on the wings of ... Even if a horse with this type of lesion in the navicular bone is sound, ...
caltest.vet.upenn.edu/larad/purchase/article/artic...

Is Navicular Disease in Horses Curable with Gallium Nitrate? Yes, if ...
... by any other bone in the horse. That navicular disease (osteomalacia) of the navicular bone in horses starts as result of ...
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I hope this information helps you make a decision. If you need further information or help in the future feel free to contact me.

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TAMMY, YES WE DO HAVE A UNIVERSITY UP HERE, IT IS VA TECH. THEY ARE ABOUT AN HOUR AND HALF AWAY. I M\AM SO GREATFUL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONCERN. IT HAS MEANT A LOT. SO YOU REALLY THINK THAT NERVING WILL HELP HIM GET OUT OF PAIN AND TO BECOME SOUND AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO BE RODE? WHERE SHOULD I TAKE HIM TO GET THIS DONE. MY VET HAS SHOWN ME SHE DOESNT WANT TO FOOL WITH HIM SO I NEED TO GET ANOTHER ONE. YOU HAVE REALLY HELPED. THANKS SO MUCH. IF YOU FIND ANYMORE INFO IF YOU COULD PLEASE SEND IT TO ME OR ANYTHING THAT COULD HELP. THANKS SO MUCH........ LISA

Lisa,

For now, if you can get your horse on Isoxoprine for pain and he is eating and out in the pasture and doing okay, I would suggest reading all the information you can that I sent you.

Some of the options take a while to work, such as injecting the joint, etc.

If you do not feel confident with your vet for this area (as vets that deal with large animals have so many clients and they have to not only provide routine vacs, etc., but with minor and major emergencies-they are not always able to become specialist in any particular field). There are vets and Clinics that do specialize in particular horse ailments, just as with people.

They have spent years studying their field, so I would suggest talking with your Vet School at the University and possibly take or have your horse's x-rays sent to them for a prognosis. They then, can give you options and if you do choose to "nerve" your horse, they are a reasonable in cost as most vets.

Good luck Lisa. I know you will make the right decision and begin to enjoy riding your "guy" in the future.

If you ever have any questions about issues, just ask for Tammy (justasktammy1) and I will be glad to assist. It has been great working with such a "caring" horse owner! Wish all horse owner's were as caring and concerned.

Thank you, Tammy

THANK YOU TAMMY FOR YOUR SUPPORT,   LISA

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