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discolored and fast growing beak 2 yrs. after injury

Sent to Pet Experts July 29 2006 at 4:40 PM
   

the beak has been trimmed monthly by bird avian.and is growing faster..slightly dry at end of beak,slightly discolored..Can this be more than post injury-say bacterial? using beakstick for dryness.flaking-works good

 

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Age: 10; Male; Breed: quaker parrot

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July 30 2006 at 4:45 PM (21 hours and 15 minutes and 34 seconds later)
         
Reply to Patricia's Post: trouble started with wing clipping from avian vet.. bird got startled and instead of flying-went straight down-..split beak-brought back to vet and was told it will grow out-well,it grew and grew-- so found a bird specialist Crystal Parrot (Edna) see clips wings so bird doesn't fall-but can glide...also does nails and beak she said that after injury the beak grows fast.. she uses dremel dril and clippers... Captain is the biggest quaker she has ever seen! He is very healthy other than beak-eats most everything-seeds vegges,loves popcorn,peanuts, all treats,processed food for hookbills, a variety every day....lately he is not eating much..likes cooked veggies(kitchen creations-pasta/veg mix)his beak seems to bother him -always rubbing on perch-not using cuttlebone nor pumice stones...he lets me trim a little beak with dremel drill(I just tried it today) instead of taking that 40 minute ride to Edna.. Captain rides very well in suv..also take a cockatiel along for salon visits..have special carrying cages..they get all the best I can afford..even bird cd when not home... Captain talks a huge vocabulary..more than some humans I know .... and very clear and at the correct moment. even laughs at tv programs before anyone else... anyways, is the lack of appitite a cue for liver disease or a sore beak.he does eat some -the beak is flaking and beakstick helps to keep it presentable-like our lip conditioner...
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July 31 2006 at 10:20 AM (17 hours and 35 minutes and 2 seconds later)
         
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Thanks for that information. It's very helpful. This is going to be a tough call. This is just my opinion, but if that vet was truly an avian vet, this accident should never have happened in the first place. But, since it did, he should be treating the bird for free, anytime the beak situation is involved. Yes, injuries can cause abnormal beak growth, but so can an issue with the liver. It sounds like you have him on an excellent diet though, so, if he has always had a good diet like that, I doubt any liver involvement. That doesn't mean you can totally rule it out. Liver function is something that can be checked on but whether you still have faith in that vet or not, may be an obstacle for you. If you are lucky enough to live within reach of another avian vet, a second opinion never hurts. He may not be able to use the cuttle bones or the other mineral block types of items. His beak may just be too tender. To make up for the shortage of cuttle bone and it's resulting calcium, you can always scrape some from the cuttle bone, over some of his wet foods. I'd only scrape off small amounts. You don't want to ruin the taste for him and cause him to turn against any of the foods. You might have to experiment with just how much you can sneak in. As for doing any beak trimming yourself, you must be very careful about that. A normal healthy beak has both nerve endings and a blood supply that comes very near the tip. You for sure don't want to risk getting into either of those. With his damaged beak and the abnormal growth, you can't be sure just where those nerves and blood supply may be. Another thing you can try for softening the beak and helping it's overall condition would be aloe. Not products containing aloe such as what we put on sunburns, insect bites, etc. Those products would be very dangerous. You can use the juice direct from an aloe plant. Cut off an arm, squeeze out the gooey center and rub it on the beak. It's also great for rough, dry feet and legs. It's also great in the bath water to keep skin and feathers in peak condition. Actually it's great for every part of a bird, inside and out. Here's some information on that, in case you didn't know. Click here: Aloe: Parrot Pharmacy In A Leaf For now, I would continue making sure he is getting plenty to eat from the softer foods you are giving him and contiue to keep an eye on all of his behaviors. Also keep a close eye on his droppings. If you see any change in the appearance of the droppings that lasts more than 24 hours and you cannot account for it by diet, then will be the time to seek out a trusted vet to check for liver issues. Especially be alert for dark droppings, and/or droppings that have undigested seeds. It doesn't sound to me as if you have any kind of emergency going on at the moment. Just keep an eye on all those things mentioned. It is also very helpful to all bird owners to keep a regular log of their bird's weight. A sudden weight change of more than 10%, either way, is cause for alarm. If you don't already have a scale, you can find what you need at places like WalMart, etc. You want a scale that weighs in grams. The scales that dieters use to weight their portions will weigh in both ounces and grams. That's what you want. If you try to buy a "bird scale" they are expensive. Up around $70-$80 or more. That's silly to spend that kind of money when a food scale is all you need. I got mine from WalMart, in the kitchen appliance area and only paid about $25 dollars for it. That was 3-4 years ago but even so, it should not be much more than that. If I have a new bird or a very young bird, I weigh them once a week. My other birds get weighed once a month. That's really about all I can tell you for now. Keep the foods coming that he is comfortable eating, keep an eye on all behaviours and other physical signs and go from there. I hope this helps but if you have more questions, just let me know. Patricia




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