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Sent to Pet Experts September 25 2006 at 4:09 PM
   

Have a Shiloh Shepherd, Osa, who is underweight (has always been so).Have her brother - he is in great health. (EPI runs in the line - and her mother recently developed auto-immune disorders.)
Let me state here : I have been studying and teaching (early on) herbal medicine for forty years, so am fairly committed to seeking cures rather than palliatives.

Osa had an infected anal gland four (?) months ago - and the local vet excised it. Even though he diagnosed it as peri-anal fistulas (and he may very well be right) he treated with strong antibiotics for a period of 6 weeks. I went along with it even though, in light of later research, it made no sense. She was symptom-less and he wanted to do cryo-surgery. This did not seem a good choice (and also rather costly for my meager budget). I previously had a dog who a vet was going to "put down" at age 5 - live a long healthy life by virtue of diet change. Also had a dog who lived for two plus years - with a quality of life with hemangioscarcoma (with a wonderful vet's assistance - who humoured me and later pretty much converted to holistic!). So no novice here.
Osa is on Aloe Vera in her water, cellular oxygen uptake drops, Yucca drops and a product called Herbal Melange, or Moor's Earth. In case you have not heard of it - it is a product of 380 herbs composted over centuries in one particular part of Europe. Zack (her brother) used to eat potting soil and dig holes (the entire breed line are grazers) but since the addition of this to their water he has stopped!

I cannot afford a raw diet – especially since I am convinced eating hormone/antibiotic meat is contraindicated. She was fine for a while and then developed a very small fissure. (3/16 inch, more or less) and then switched their diet to Innova Large Breed mixed with Evo – a dry kibble that is carbohydrate free (meant to take the place of raw diets). This was about 5 weeks ago. Am considering putting her on a single source food – but it is a financial burden since cannot simply put a bowl out for her alone. (Not that the Innova is cheap!) How important do you think it is to go single source? Or do you think perhaps the Innova might suffice - being chemical free?

Since forever have been adding to their food a probiotic/digestive mix and also a mix with chlorella, alfalfa, assorted appropriate herbs, brewer's yeast, flax seed meal and an endless list of dog appropriate supplements (periodically mix Udo's Choice supplement or like ones with the greens and herbs, etc). Intermittently add extra acidophilus.

Also give her something called Pancreatin 8X plus (Pancreatin, Trypsin, Chymotrysin, Anylase, Protease, Lipase) and a product by Standard Process called Immunplex (basically vitamin/mineral supplementation), plus extra E.

Have been using something called Wonder Dust directly on the fissure. (three weeks now). But, while it is not getting worse, is not getting better.

She has a darkness around her eyes which is concerning me (she is white so it is quite visible). And in the lower eyelid is a muddy line/area. It is this symptom which prompted me to write. It has me quite concerned. She is in good spirits, appears otherwise healthy and full of energy – but the symptom is ringing an alarm bell………………

Absolutely ANY suggestions are appreciated – and what do you think the eye thing might be?????

Appreciate greatly……….
Rae Dejur

 

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September 26 2006 at 6:42 PM (1 day and 2 hours later)
         
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Further info: it just dawned on me that the "Wonder Dust" in her system by osmosis might be turning her eyelid rims and the inside of eyelid bottoms dark - it ingredients are Iodform 2%, Potasium Alum 5%,Flowers of sulfur 2%, Tannic Acid 2%, Activated Charcoal 5%,Copper Sulfate 13% and Hydrated Lime 71%
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October 4 2006 at 12:09 PM (7 days and 17 hours later)
         
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Perianal fistulas may also be caused by tick carried diseases or at least some evidence points in that direction.
You may want to test her for those. And if she is not on tick prevention you may want to do that.
Other evidence points ot an immune problem perhaps a food allergy
http://www.gsdhelpline.com/perianal.htm
and this one shows a medical treatment may work
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14412111
and lots and lots of information on the problem here
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1672/
It might be the chemicals you are giving her are the issue. A test would be to discontinue use and see if the color changes clear up.


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October 4 2006 at 8:12 PM (8 hours and 3 minutes and 20 seconds later)
         
Reply to Nancy Holmes's Post: Hi Nancy
Appreciate your efforts. Her breed is subject to EPI which often, conjunct, manifests with IBS. Her Fistulas are mostly resolved, and for the first time in her life she has had a little weight gain. This is an additional clue that the Pancreatin and other items in her protocol are correct to use and remedial for IBS and the like....

The Wonder Dust (presume this is what you are referring to as "chemicals") have the effect of stong toxin cleansers. I DO suspect that is the eye problem. Had already stopped the Wonder Dust to see if this resolves. Her sclera has the brown staining now, developed after stopping the Wonder Dust - but its anti-toxin properties might take some time to wear off.....All the other items in her protocol are non-chemical. Did you mean the Wonder Dust?

I have read studies that point to the use of Frontline and Ivermectin as assalting the immune system, along with, of course, any chemicals in food. Although she has been on very good, and fairly "clean", food since she has been with me (3 years)it has NOT been organic. (But, of course, wheat, corn and soy free). Chemicals carried in the feed could be culprits also. I am of the mind it is autoimmune, especially since her mother has developed a number of autoimmune problems.

Am aware of all the traditional/allopathic protocols. Have been studying/teaching and practicing herbal and complimentary medicine for people for four decades. Note: the second site you sent has recipes including wheat.

When am finished with the Innova she is now on, am going to the single source food. She is doing beautifully except for this scary mystery eye symptom.

Please let me know if you come up with any clues re: eye staining.
Again, appreciate your efforts.
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October 5 2006 at 4:37 AM (8 hours and 25 minutes later)
         
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Yes wonder dust is chemicals - no matter how you pretty it up its just a bunch of chemicals and as for 'detoxifying' I don't believe in it at all so have no faith it does any good. To me that list of chemicals reads like a dye process solution.
Check out pannus to see if it matches corneal issues
http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0087.htm
Wheat is really only a problem food if the dog happens to be allergic to wheat. Same with the other foods. Thing is a dog with immune issues can develop intolerances to almost anything it is regularly exposed to.
The problem item with the skin color changes could be the alum (which is used as a mordant in dying items) or the tannic acid or the copper sulfate all of which are used in dye processes so in combination in the body might result in skin tone changes particularly if there is hair loss and sun exposure in those areas around the eye.
I wouldn't, by the way, consider a raw diet for a dog with immune issues - too many pathogens in the meats and other foods available to us to risk feeding raw to an animal with a compromised system. You might find one of the Wellness products will work for her.


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October 5 2006 at 7:19 PM (14 hours and 41 minutes and 31 seconds later)
         
Reply to Nancy Holmes's Post: Thanks Nancy - was, as I said suspicious of the Wonder Dust - and even though the Alum, Tannic Acids and Copper Sulfate are in low percentiles - could be the combo - hope it wears out of her system soon. Do not think it Panno, syptoms not fitting profile (not that symptoms in any disease usually do!) - but will keep a wary eye on it. Hadn't even thought of Panno - thank you!

One more question, if you will humour - You think a wellness product better than the herring sweet potato California Natural (Natura company) product?

Thank you again
Rae
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October 5 2006 at 7:25 PM (5 minutes and 45 seconds later)
         
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