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My two year old yorkkie has dehydration, high BUN levels, he is on an iv and no change to the kidney function. He tries to eat food and it falls out of his mouth. My vet is thinking a blockage (or poisoning or adisons disease.) Your take on it

 

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Age: 2; Male; Breed: Yorkie

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He's at the vet, getting scoped down the throat checking his stomach.

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April 26 5:19 PM (44 minutes and 47 seconds later)
         
Reply to RGK's Post: Just talked to the vet, they found ulcers in his kidney and intestine - probably from something he injested. His BUN I think was 130 yesterday and after 24 hours of iv it's 99. He said if he doesnt' respond to iv treatment - he may have leptospirosis (however, at this stage) he's thinking kidney failure. He also has the "bad breath" associated with it. He is in good spirits and wags his tail that's what stumps him.
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April 26 6:05 PM (42 minutes and 14 seconds later)
         
Reply to RGK's Post: I don't believe they found lesions in the mouth. At least he didn't say so. He dismissed the "food eating" issue (neurologic)-- he put chicken in his mouth and tried to chew it some he would swallow, then some he wouldn't swallow. Vet felt maybe it hurt him to swallow. They are giving him ivs with potassium, chloride and sugar to restore his values they went from 130 to 99 in 24 hours.

Is this treatable can the damage be reversed if it's kidney failure - is there a drug to help?
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April 26 7:30 PM (1 hour and 24 minutes and 51 seconds later)
         
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If he was able to pick up food, chew, and swallow, then I agree that dropping the food may have been due to pain.
I'm a little confused as to the finding of ulcers on the kidney. Was he referring to infarcts or disruptions of blood flow?
The ulcers in the intestinal tract and difficulty swallowing certainly support ingestion of something toxic. Kidney disease can cause ulcerations as a result of decreased clearance of gastric acids and digestive enzymes. But you did not mention any other blood work abnormalities to support this (high amylase levels). The kidney issue may be a direct result of a toxin ingestion or secondary to his dehydration. From my perspective, if the creatinine (the more important kidney value) is not elevated and the BUN has made an impressive drop after just 24 hours of IV fluids, I think his chances for a full recovery of kidney function are very good. You did not mention if a urinalysis was done- this would also help assess kidney function and may help determine the cause (certain crystals or other cell types may be identified) of his disease.
He should be on a gastroprotectant like Pepcid or cimetidine and Pepto for the ulcerations in the intestinal tract. The Pepto (liquid) will also coat the esophagus on the way down and so help with any ulcerations here that may be causing him discomfort.
A broad spectrum antibiotic is indicated to guard against bacteria from the gut moving across the damaged wall of the intestines.
Your dog, when he is eating better, should also be on a more kidney friendly diet during the recovery period. Many prescription brands are available through your vet. The diet helps decrease the work load of the kidney during the healing phase.
I hope he makes a full recovery. Good luck to you.
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April 27 6:25 PM (22 hours and 54 minutes and 29 seconds later)
         
Reply to RGK's Post: OK - today his BUN was down from 99 to 30. They are taking him off IV to see if he can maintain. They said he was more active, wagging his tail and being more himself. What are you thoughts on his recovery? I also saw on the web that easter lilys are poison. I had one a few weeks ago. Could that be the culprit? Do you think we caught this early enough for his kidney to repair?
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April 27 11:15 PM (4 hours and 50 minutes and 43 seconds later)
         
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That's fantastic! I think that, at this point, his chances for a full recovery are excellent.
The only reported cases of death related to Easter lilies that I'm familiar with were in cats, however, consumption does lead to kidney failure.
You may never know what precipitated your dog's illness, but it's worthwhile to keep investigating to try to make sure it never happens again.
I'm really pleased for you and your dog, I hope he has many happy years ahead of him.
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April 28 12:26 AM (1 hour and 10 minutes and 10 seconds later)
         
Reply to RGK's Post: Just one more question, please ---- he wasn't eating on his own today --- so doctor was keeping him on iv's. Doctor seems to think he'll eat after the ulcers heal. They have him on Tagmet. Will he be interested in food or will he be "picky". Doctor has one other worry, if he doesn't eat tomorrow ---- future tests? Adisons Disease?

Thanks for your help. I've really enjoyed your comments and appreciate your help in resting my mind.
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April 28 1:35 PM (13 hours and 9 minutes and 31 seconds later)
         
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Illness can certainly make an animal a picky eater, at least temporarily. Hospitalization can do that too, after a bit they may get a little homesick. If you haven't already, you can suggest going in to visit him to see if you can entice him to eat. Finally, not all dogs find the prescription kidney diets or bland diets (not sure which one your dog is on) very palatable. So they may eat initially, but then decide that the food isn't to their liking. If his decreased appetite continues, then first I'd re-check the kidney values and a urinalysis to make sure those things are still improving. If the kidney issue worsens, then doing titers for Leptospirosis and/or Lyme disease would be indicated. Addison's wouldn't be the first thing I looked for, given the information you've provided me regarding his bloodwork and clinical signs. Generally with this disease, the signs you see include drinking and urinating a lot, lethargy, vomiting, diarrhea (sometimes black signifying digested blood), weight loss, decreased appetite, collapse, hair loss. The signs can come and go initially or affected animals can crash hard and exhibit nearly all of them in an Addisonian crisis. There are several specific blood work changes that are often seen; the only one you mentioned your dog possessing was an increased BUN. The BUN can be high with a kidney issue as you've been told, it can also be high as a result of bleeding within the intestinal tract. I believe your dog had a combination of factors that led to his high BUN- the intestinal ulcers causing the bleeding, and the dehydration causing kidney dysfunction.
The Tagamet will help with the ulcerations, and I'm assuming he's also on an antibiotic to guard against secondary bacterial infection of the bloodstream.
Keep me posted.
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April 28 2:02 PM (27 minutes later)
         
Reply to RGK's Post: Just talked with vet - his BUN is normal - he's jumping up in his cage - still won't eat. Doctor is now thinking Adisons. He's going to not test as the test is expensive and we'd have to wait till Monday. He's going to give him cortisol today, take him of iv and hope he bounces back. he says most dogs do tremendously better on cortisone. When you mentioned the signs of adisons' that's what Jager had - black grainy stool - looked like dirt in his stool, weight loss, (one and 1/2 lbs. in three weeks) and being cold, shiverring, sitting infront of heater and balance problems. I hope that the cortisol is the answer. Your thoughts and then I'll accept. I've really appreciated your expertise. THANKS
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April 28 2:23 PM (20 minutes and 55 seconds later)
         
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Those clinical signs do make Addison's disease more of a concern. I'm guessing there may have also been some other bloodwork changes that pointed in that direction, but the kidney insult was the one that most concerned your vet at the time.
I don't see any reason why he can't be given the steroid, as long as he is on an antibiotic (to guard against infection secondary to suppression of the immune system by the steroid). Your vet should use a steroid called dexamethasone, as this will not interfere with the ACTH test for Addison's disease. Some of the other commonly used steroids will show up and therefore render the test useless.
It sounds like other than his appetite he's doing well. And even if it isn't Addison's, the steroid should stimulate him to eat!
Good luck!
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April 29 4:20 PM (1 day and 1 hour later)
         
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OK,Yesterday his BUN was 24, his creatinine was 2.8. They gave him a cortisone shot yesterday. He was hand fed. This AM off iv his BUN was 61 and cratinine 2.1. They are stumped. I think they think he had kidney failure. I brought him home till Monday. He said the cortisone will stay in his system for 2 days. He'll check blook results Monday - if not better, then time to talk about putting him down. your thoughts? I'm so sad.
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April 29 10:09 PM (5 hours and 48 minutes and 57 seconds later)
         
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I'm sorry to see that the BUN has risen, but hopefully all is not as bad as it seems. After all, the creatinine actually did decrease, and that is the more important marker of kidney function. I don't know when the steroid was administered in relation to when the repeat blood work was done, but steroids can temporarily increase BUN levels.
I disagree that it is time to put him down just based on an elevation of the BUN. If he is otherwise doing ok, there is time to investigate further and hopefully come to a firm diagnosis.
It is concerning that the rise, if it is a true reflection of the BUN value, came after he was off IV fluids. Therefore, if he is at home with you this weekend, make sure he gets plenty of oral fluids. It's a good idea to syringe feed or "turkey baster" some in just to make sure he gets an adequate amount.
I believe it would be worthwhile to continue with the ACTH stimulation test that was previously planned; it might also be prudent to do the Leptospirosis and Lyme disease titers I mentioned earlier while awaiting the ACTH stim. results, if kidney disease is a real concern. If your vet is not comfortable with further diagnostics, then he may be able to refer you to a specialist that may be able to shed some insight onto the problem. I recognize that to this point you have probably spent a great deal of money on your dog, and so do not want to push you to do anything beyond your means. But if you are lucky enough to have money not be a major concern, then a specialist is definitely a worthwhile endeavor. If money is an issue, you can look into applying for Care Credit (www.carecredit.com). This is credit card that enables you to pay medical and veterinary expenses. The approval process is rapid and you can have an answer in just an hour or so.
This has been a terrible roller coaster ride for you and admittedly, not being privy to a lot of the information of the case, I can only make suppositions as to what's been going on. But if I look at all that you have told me, including how he seems to feel much better, then I believe there's still plenty of hope. Even if this is an issue of kidney failure, in many cases the progress of the disease can at least be slowed and the dog can have a good quality of life for quite a while (survival times are difficult to predict without having an idea of cause and how the kidneys are presently functioning- a specialist might be able to help you here).
Good luck and please let me know what happens.

Edited by Vet help on April 29 2006 at 10:20 PM
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May 1 4:20 PM (1 day and 18 hours later)
         
Reply to RGK's Post: We have an internest that has been taking care of jager. We brought him home over the weekend with cortisone on Friday. He acted normal, is eating, drinking, peeing and pooping. Today his BUN was over 100 and creatinine was 3.1. The doctor is feeling that it's crf and not adisons disease because of his sodium and phosphorous. Don't know those values though.

I suggested sub-q. He agreed to have the staff do it Monday, Wednesday of this week. I encouraged the Cortisone as well. Friday he'll test again. If his levels are high what do you suggest?

Can he not be on sub q and cortisone for months?
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